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Midwinter Gaming Convention: Vendor Room

From my perspective, one of the highlights of every con is the vendor room.  As usual, I was pulled in by the vendors’ siren song of at Midwinter.  At first glance, I wasn’t all that impressed with the vendor room.  When compared to other cons I’ve attended, like Anime Boston, which has a giant hall with hundreds of tables, the smallish ballroom of 38 vendors was unimpressive. Upon further examination, I changed my mind.

The vendors were a variety of mostly smaller, individual crafters as opposed to larger retailers selling mass produced products like posters, magic cards, etc. They were selling all types of wares that would be of interest to gamers with a variety of interests including stuffed dice, weaponry and various steampunk items.  I will admit to being a girly-girl, so my own personal focus was more toward the ornamental as opposed to weaponry. 

I purchased items from a number of vendors, and sharing my favorites with you.  In my opinion, the most talented vendor was LisaSell, a 2D and 3D artist who is a magician with resin.  Lisa Sell, the owner, makes gorgeous resin masks from obviously laboriously hand-carved molds, with breathtaking results.  I had spent most of my money by the time I arrived at her table, but I happily plunked down $25 for two smaller pieces (a beautiful steampunk metal fascinator and a resin steampunk charm).  Luckily, Lisa also has an ETSY store (also called LisaSell) where I can purchase one of her lovely masks once I’ve saved up my pennies.

Another favorite vendor was Tops It Off – Custom Crochet Shop, owned by Mimi Refici, from Kenosha, Wisconsin. She makes and sells wonderful, winter, geeky creations including but certainly not limited to pokeball hats, a batman hat complete with a mask to cover the wearer’s eyes, and a variety of other characters.  If she doesn’t have the exact item you want, I understand that she can make anything (based upon what I saw, I believe it).  I fell in love with an adorable hippo hat and hard warmers that I’ve worn pretty much every day.  If you can’t wait until the 2018 Midwinter Gaming Convention, you can contact her on her Facebook Page, Tops it Off – Custom Crochet. 

If I had one complaint about the vendor room, it would be the jewelry.  Practically every vendor selling jewelry carried some form of chainmail necklaces and bracelets.  There was else to choose from, other than the not necessarily geeky beaded jewelry, although I did see one vendor selling a variety of jewelry with bones (or resin looking bones).   

My final shout out goes to the Mobile Stress Relief Unit, who did a fabulous job of massaging away my aches and pains.  In general, I have to declare the vendor room a success.

Midwinter Gaming Convention: Tokaido

I did not expect to play Tokaido at Midwinter. I bought a copy at my FLGS  six months ago and haven’t even had a chance to open it.  However, Saturday evening as we headed over to the board game library checkout desk, we saw a group of three geeky hipsters opening the Tokaido box. Trusting the friendly environment fostered by Midwinter, we took a risk and asked if we could join them.

The game and the company did not disappoint.

We found Tokaido remarkably chill and seriously fun. Each player takes the role of a traveler walking the “East Sea Road.” Temples, farms, picturesque panoramas, souvenir shops, and inns dot the trail, each offering a unique experience. There’s no dice rolling, fighting, or killing. The players just walk a beautifully rendered game board, soaking up as much culture as they can. At the end of the journey, the player collecting the most local knickknacks, donating the most to the temples, eating the most expensive foods, and viewing the most beautiful landscapes wins the game.

It’s a well-constructed game, easy to understand and lovely to look at. I offer only one complaint. The subtle color scheme of the game makes it difficult to tell the difference between different experiences. The color used for hot springs looks awfully close to the color used for the panoramas.

Sharing the travels with others adds a full measure of enjoyment to the game. Our group of players chose a freewheeling ronin, a geisha, an itinerant monk, and a starving artist. Together, we carved a fun story of adventure and involvement, all in less than 60 minutes.

Tokaido, from Passport Game Studios, for 2 to 5 players, age 8 and up.

Midwinter Has Come! (and Gone!) – First Impressions

2017 marked Chicago Geek Guy’s first visit to the Midwinter Gaming Convention, but not that last. The two of us enjoyed ourselves immensely across two floors of the beautiful Milwaukee Hilton City Center, playing games, shopping, and making new friends. 

Over the next few days, we plan to share our impressions of the convention, the games we played, and thoughts raised by participating. Today, we’ll focus on the Con’s organization.

“We found the size of Midwinter a perfect fit.”

Small when compared to industry power houses like Gen Con and Origins, we found the size of Midwinter a perfect fit. The con grouped registration, events, and the exhibition hall close together, with food and drink offerings just a short elevator hop away.

The size of the convention helped foster a greater sense of intimacy and friendliness. One would likely have an opportunity to game with the same folks multiple times, helping to foster a budding acquaintance or even friendship. Special guest mingled freely among participants. John Wick talked to people in character at the 7th Sea LARPS. Danielle Lauzon deftly led tabletop and live action sessions of the system. All the special guests felt approachable and took care to remember names and offer guidance based on a player’s experience and familiarity with the game.

“It was not difficult to find convention organizer Anne Holms…”

Event staff kept a watchful eye on the proceedings, doing their best to find answers when asked. It was not difficult to find convention organizer Anne Holms lurking the hallways and play area, chatting people up and listening to feedback. Anne and staff member Meredith Gerber welcomed criticism, often anticipating it, ready with suggestions for next year that would address the problems. Working the registration desk, Jonathon offered an immediate solution to a pressing problem and helped relieve a potential heap of confusion. JR Cillian Green kept things flowing smoothly in the board game library. Nearly constantly filled with happy gamers, we think the convention can count the board game room a growing success.

“I can’t believe how nice people are.”

We got to learn a new game with these friendly folks.

“I can’t believe how nice people are.” We heard this refrain constantly throughout the convention areas. People treated each other with respect and civility. Gamers of different ages blended seamlessly in a safe environment. Hotel staff greeted each participate warmly and felt ready to engage us individually about our hobby.

We believe Midwinter Gaming Convention offers something for all gamers in a healthy milieu.  We’ll dig into the specifics over the next few days.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Vampire: the Masquerade

And we’re at the end of the line for my 2016 Holiday Gaming Suggestions! I hope people have appreciated these three bonus days of more complicated games, because we’re ending with a seriously complicated one: The newest edition of the Vampire: the Masquerade Live Action RPG, by By Night Studios.

Vampire, and all of the other World of Darkness LARPs, use a ruleset called Mind’s Eye Theatre (or MET). Despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of my LARPing experience has been with the MET system, I wasn’t actually a big fan of the previous editions. (For the sake of brevity, I’m not including the nWoD/Chronicles of Darkness MET rules in any of this.) While the original rules were undoubtably revolutionary in the early 1990s when they were first published, by the beginning of the 2000s they had become a hot mess. Too much content had been added without really reexamining the system’s roots, in part because the World of Darkness setting was in a state of rapid expansion across its myriad of titles. Ultimately I felt like MET had too many vague rules, exceptions, and downright contradictions in it. This turned the Rock/Paper/Scissors mechanic into a slog that easily broke the flow of the game when narrative tension should have been getting to its highest. MET had started as a yacht, and through a series of jury-rigs was trying to perform the job of an ocean liner. It really wasn’t working out.

Somehow, By Night Studios has managed to do what I thought was nearly impossible. They have taken that hot mess and turned it into something grand. This is the facelift MET needed. Not only is it relevant again, but it’s a reminder of why, for a long time, it was the industry standard for Live Action rules.

Here’s where this suggestion gets tricky: It would take way too much time to describe all of the differences between the old MET system and this one. So I’m only going to provide the most bare bones description below. If it sounds interesting to you, check out the free quickstart guide. I highly recommend that anyone who’s every tried previous editions of MET give it a once-over, too. (http://pegasus.rpgnow.com/product/132185/Minds-Eye-Theatre-Vampire-The-Masquerade-Quickstart-Guide)

At its core, the MET system has become simpler than ever. Characters have three different attribute sets rated 1-10: Physical, Mental, and Social. They also have a series of skills rated 0-5, and a pool of Willpower that fluctuates from 0-6. When a character attempts to do something, they play Rock/Paper/Scissors (against the game’s Storyteller, or sometimes against another player) rather than rolling dice. If they lose, they fail. If they tie, they compare their relevant attribute + relevant skill against the difficulty. If the character has a higher number, they succeed. If they win the R/P/S check, they succeed. If they win and their relevant attribute + relevant skill is higher than the task’s difficulty, they get an exception success.

Willpower provides an avenue of hope for the loser of a R/P/S check. At the cost of a Willpower point, the loser can force a retest. This can only be done once per challenge. Given that Willpower also provides a defensive bonus against certain attacks, players must use this limited resource very carefully.

You may be wondering why, at the opening of this review, I wrote that this was going to be a seriously complicated suggestion, then I went on to praise how simple the rules had become. That’s because the complexity is in everything else the book provides. This is simultaneously the newest MET rules, tailored for the Vampire game; a history of the various vampire political movements; an update of the state of the world since the start of the new millennium; the player’s guide for Camarilla, Sabbat, and Anarch chronicles; and a write-up of nearly every vampire clan and bloodline that White Wolf has published since 1991. This book has over 20 years of content; revised, updated, and streamlined! While it is a truly Herculean feat, it also means that the book is incredibly intimidating to new players. There’s just so much stuff! And while the above quickstart guide is nice, it’s a really big of leap from it to the full book. An intermediate resource would be a welcome addition.

To be completely clear, I love this 440 plus page book. I’m amazed by the work that went in to updating both the rules and the fiction of the Vampire: the Masquerade world, and I’m very excited to see what By Night Studios does with the other World of Darkness lines, especially with this kind of quality. (Changeling, please!) But there’s no way I would recommend the book to beginners, not unless I knew they had a strong community of LARPers who would guide them through the steep learning curve.

Good thing I live in a city full of great LARPers.

(PS/Shameless plug: If you do find yourself wanting to buy this book, please consider purchasing it from the Pegasus Games sub-store of DriveThruRPG Thank you!) — with By Night Studios.

About the Author

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Ravingspire

And now the second bonus day of my Holiday Game Suggestions is here, and it’s a doozy! Today’s bonus game is Ravingspire, by Vorpal Chainsword Games. And yes, I know the game designer on this one. No, I’m not getting a whole bunch of money for raving about it. (Hahahaha… sorry.)

Much like Mystic Vale, Ravingspire takes the idea of a deck building game and does something new with it. Actually, it does a few new things with it. The biggest is that it merges deck building with dungeon crawl board games. This game is–by one of the creator’s own admission–Dominion meets Talisman.

The dungeon crawl feel starts at the beginning of the game, when each player picks a their own character. Each character’s starting deck is a different mix of the game’s three currencies: Fight, Skill, and Charm. Additionally, each character gets a unique special ability, and a personalized mix of card types they can hold in between turns. Hello, varied playstyle right out of the gate!

This being a dungeon crawl, of course there are multiple levels to the dungeon and mat. (Three, to be exact.) Each level will have its own group of cards, which are items to be acquired, monsters to be killed, and traps to be overcome. Where your character is on the map affects what they can interact with.

Cards are acquired or defeated by paying their cost in one (or more) of the game’s three currencies. But most cards have an optional cost that’s much higher, but can be paid with a mix of any of the currencies. It’s a great rule that helps speed up the deck building process.

And the dungeon itself is always changing, thanks to a rotating board that the players can fight over control of.

And there are deadly foes that will chase the characters all over the dungeon.

And there are sanity mechanics, which serves not only as each character’s hit points, but also the timer for the game as a whole.

And the end game is determined randomly by drawing one of five possibilities at the start of the game. And for maximum intrigue the endings are sealed. No peeking!

In case it’s not clear enough, Ravingspire is a game with a lot of crunch! This one is for experienced gamers, no two ways about it. But here is no other game quite like it, so if you need to get a game from someone who seemingly has all of them, here’s a great choice.

Special praise must be made for how the game is being sold. It was funded on Kickstarter, and is only available from a few brick-and-mortar stores across the US because it’s not at distributors yet. So it’s also being sold on Amazon… for the same price most FLGSs will be selling it for. It’s a nice gesture that deserves to be called out.

Tomorrow, the last bonus game and the real end to my 12 Days of Holiday Game Suggestions

About the Author

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Mystic Vale

Hello, first ever bonus day of Holiday Gaming Suggestions! These three days will cover games that are for the more experienced gamer, which is why I didn’t include them in the original 12. But they’re still excellent games that aren’t getting as much fanfare as I think they deserve, so here we are.

We start with Mystic Vale, by Alderac Entertainment Group. (See my post on Lost Legacy about my connections to AEG employees. Nothing’s changed in a week!) Mystic Vale is a much needed upgrade to the deck building game genre for two to four players. Before I heap on the praise I want to be clear that it wasn’t part of my original 12 suggestions because I would never suggest it to people who weren’t familiar with deck building games. I would start people on games like Star Realms, or classic Ascension, and move on to games like Dominion before tackling Mystic Vale.

Now that that’s out of the way, let me explain why Mystic Vale is great. Each player with start with a deck of 20 cards, and each deck is identical. The main marketplace for the rest of cards (called “Advancements”) features three decks of different levels of cost. Three cards from each deck are face up, and available for purchase. So far, this probably reads like your typical deck building game.

So now I should mention that all 20 cards in each of the four starting decks are sleeved. And all of the Advancement are printed on transparent plastic. After Advancements are purchased, they are added to the sleeves of the cards used during a player’s turn, thus modifying the effect of the card itself. Because of this, decks will always be 20 cards. What each of those 20 cards can do is what changes during the course of the game. And this is how Mystic Vale alters the very nature of a deck building game, making it what AEG calls a “Card Crafting Game”.

Cool card mechanics aside, most of Mystic Vale’s rules will seem familiar to most deck building enthusiasts. The number of players determines how many Victory Point tokens are put into the pool at the start of the game. The final round is when the last of the points is gone. There are no cards that hurt another player’s deck. Individual advancements may also be worth points at the end of the game.

But there are some unusual rules aside from the card crafting. Players will never have a hand of cards hidden from each other. Instead available cards are put face up in their play area before their turn begins, using a cool push-your-luck mechanic I haven’t seen before. In addition to Advancements, players can also purchase a type of card called Vales. But Vales don’t go into a players deck, and they aren’t bought with the basic resource every deck starts with. Players can’t buy Vales without having the right Advancements first.

As a nice added bonus, not only does Mystic Vale come with all of the sleeves you’ll need to play (plus 20 extra), it also has a very well designed storage tray right in the box. It’s an important thing, especially considering that all of the cards are tarot sized.

Dominion started a creative boom in card games when it introduced the concept of deck building. I’m excited to see if the same thing happens with Mystic Vale’s system. If you’re a deck building aficionado, make sure you check out Mystic Vale, and see if you share my hopeful eagerness for the future of these types of games.

About the Author

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – The Guardians Explore

This is it! (Kinda.) This is the last day of my 12 Days of Holiday Gaming Suggestions. (Other than the three bonus days, starting tomorrow.) So, what’s my most overlooked, but highest suggested game this year? … you already know it’s The Guardians: Explore because you saw the picture.

Alright, yet again disclosure time; I know the game designer of this one, too. As was the case in all previous posts, he did not pay me for this, or ask me to write it.

The Guardians: Explore is a delightful mix of various genres, both in its mechanics and flavor. It’s heavy with worker placement mechanics, but with a dungeon-crawl feel. It’s mostly cooperative, but at the advanced levels only one person will be the greatest hero. There are decks for each character class, or you can draft your deck at the beginning of the game. Deck building comes into play as monsters are defeated, and the heroes get stronger. And the setting is a lovely mix of children’s make-believe fantasy in a modern world where the monsters are real. Even the monsters come from a variety of genres, from fantasy orcs to murderous Roomba vacuum cleaners.

It’s this variety that makes The Guardians: Explore such an accessible game for so many people. Children playing in blanket forts, with wooden swords and trash lid shields is a theme that so many younger and older gamers can universally relate to. The option to play a simplified version of the game and slowly introduce the card-drafting and non-cooperative mechanics later means that the entry to the game is lower than the final complexity would suggest. And the sheer variety of mechanics means that The Guardians: Explore is a gateway to different types of games. Like the worker placement rules? Try Lords of Waterdeep next. Best part was the card drafting? Here’s 7 Wonders. Did you like the secret quests, which keep your ultimate end game hidden from the other players until the game is over? Let me tell you about Dead of Winter. The Guardians: Explore is the game that can hook your non-gamer friends into the deeper possibilities of this hobby.

It’s the wonderful mix of mechanics, the artwork that perfectly conveys a world that is both unique and evocative of childhood, and the scaling complexity that makes The Guardians: Explore my top game in my Holiday Game Suggestions.

So what’s tomorrow going to start? Those will be the games that are for a slightly narrower audience than the 12 I’ve discussed here.

About the Author

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Wizard

I have a few “go to” games when it comes to groups with mixed gaming experience, as often happens over the holidays. The one I’ve had some of the best success with is Wizard, currently punished by US Game Systems, and it’s my second to last (regular) recommendation in my 12 Days of Holiday Suggestions.

Wizard is a trick-taking card game for three to six people. It plays along the lines of Hearts or Spades, but with a few twists. For starters, the deck is 60 cards. There are the standard 52 playing cards, plus a blue suit of 4 wizards, and 4 jesters. The first wizard played on a trick will automatically win it, and the jester will always count as the lowest card of the trick.

The next twist is a variable hand size. Players will be dealt a number of cards equal to which round the game is currently in: 1 on the first round, 2 in the second, etc. The final round of the game is when the entire deck is dealt out, meaning the that more players, the less rounds in the game. In all rounds but the last, after the hands are dealt the top remaining card of the deck is flipped face up to determine which suit is trump.

The final twist on the classic trick-taking formula is the bet. After hands have been dealt and trump is revealed, each player bets how many tricks they will take. (Zero is a perfectly valid answer.) Players must hit that number. If they do, they score 20 points, plus 10 for each trick they took. If they go under or over, they lose 10 points for every trick they were off. This means that you must lose tricks one you’ve reached your bet!

And… that’s it. This is a short entry because Wizard is a simple game to learn. But it’s highly strategic, very inexpensive, and because it’s played with a poker deck with only a few extra bells and whistles, it’s doesn’t intimidate non-gamers. If you grew up playing Hearts with your family, bring Wizard to the next get together.

About the Author

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Fuse

 

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Fuse

I’m going to wax philosophically (probably not actually philosophically) a bit before I talk about my Day 10 Holiday Game suggestion. Not only do I love the cooperative board game renaissance we’ve been enjoying for roughly the last decade, but I think it’s culturally very important. Because while every game involves winning and losing, I believe cooperative table top games are one of the best ways to teach people how to lose graciously. Because, as Captain Picard famously put it: “It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness, that is life.” In a cooperative game, players can make all of the correct decisions but still lose due to factors beyond their control.

So on that note, my 10th Holiday Game Suggestion is Fuse, by Renegade Game Studios. And once again, I do know the game designer on this one. No, I’m not getting any freebies/money out of writing this.

Fuse is fast-paced, fully cooperative dice game where players have 10 minutes to win. There are a series of cards that represent bombs. There’s a bag of 25 multicolored six-sided dice that represent the progress players have made in defusing the bombs. The bombs are defused by fulfilling some kind condition with the dice; such as matching sums between two pairs, or making a small straight with no matching colors. Every turn, the active player draws one die per player from the bag and rolls them. Everyone grabs one die that they can use on the two bombs they’re working on. But for every die that can’t be used, players will lose progress!

One of my favorite parts of Fuse is how customizable the difficulty is. Players choose how many bombs they want to try to defuse in the 10 minute limit. Bomb cards are rated in how complicated they are, so harder ones can be left out. Fuse cards, which automatically cause players to lose dice when they come into play, can be added in any number the players want to increase the chaos of an already frantic game. All of these options make it possible for Fuse to be accessible to a wide audience of players.

To add to bedlam that a typical Fuse games involves, Renegade developed a free app. Among other things, the app servers as your 10 minute timer, and the smart aleck AI that “motivates” the players to work faster. Loud ticking seconds, alarm klaxons, and a voice from GLaDOS’s family tree really complete the experience! Potentially blowing up has rarely been so much fun.

About the Author

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Attila

James Nettum started playing RPG’s while in fourth grade, sneaking in sessions of AD&D on the playground of his Catholic school. He went pro at the age of 25 when he took a position at Pegasus Games in Madison, Wisconsin. He’s been there 10 years and plays every sort of game, except collectibles.

James started posting a 12 Days of Holiday Gaming via Facebook on Black Friday. I enjoyed the recommendations and wanted to share them. With his permission, I’m reblogging the series here at Chicago Geek Guy.

12 Days of Holiday Gaming – Attila

After yesterday’s detailed entry, the subject of Day 9 of my 12 Days of Holiday Game suggestions is going to be significantly lighter, but my recommendation is just as strong. Today’s game is Attila, by Blue Orange Games.

Attila is a small, simple two-player game that requires very little space to play, making it a perfect stocking stuffer or traveling game. In the tin, there are two trios of horsemen tokens (one for Huns, one for Romans), two boards that are 2×2 grids, two boards that are 2×3 grids, and a bunch of scorched earth tokens.

At the start of the game, each player gets one of the trio of horsemen. They decide on any configuration of the boards they wish to make one play area, and then they take turns placing their horsemen on any empty square. The game is ready to begin.

During play, the horsemen can move exactly like a knight in chess, but can only land on an empty tile. After a player has moved one of their horseman, they place a scorched earth token on any empty tile. The first player who cannot move a horseman on their turn has lost.

And that is Attila. It’s quick to teach, set up, and play. Just like Happy Salmon, I think it deserved far better than the ranking on Board Game Geek. It’s intuitive enough for casual players or non-gamers, but fans of deep strategy games will find themselves plotting out their next three or four moves, reactions, and counters. Give it a shot; it won’t take long at all.

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